Love and ImpermanancewithMatthew McKay

Books Mentioned In This Interview

Matthew McKay, Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist, professor of psychology at the Wright Institute, co-founder of Haight Ashbury Psychological Services, founder of the Berkeley CBT Clinic, and co-founder of the Bay Area Trauma Recovery Clinic, which serves low-income clients. He has authored and co-authored more than 40 books, including The Relaxation and Stress Reduction Workbook, Seeking Jordan: How I Learned the Truth about Death and the Invisible Universe, The Luminous Landscape of the Afterlife: Jordan’s Message to the Living on What to Expect After Death, and Love in the Time of Impermanence. His website is

After his son was murdered at the age of 23, Matthew learned how to channel and communicate with him. Through messages from his son, Jordan, he shares that the love between all souls continues in the afterlife. Matthew states that love is what connects everything. The purpose of life is to learn how to love in the face of pain. While much of what we experience in life is impermanent, the soul, consciousness, and love continue. He offers ways to keep and hold onto love in our eternally changing environment. He provides methods and meditations on how to choose love and turn toward the relationship, when we may be tempted to be judgmental or turn away.

New Thinking Allowed CoHost, Emmy Vadnais, OTR/L, is an intuitive healer and health coach based in St. Paul, Minnesota. She is the author of Intuitive Development: How to Trust Your Inner Knowing for Guidance With Relationships, Health, and Spirituality. Her website is

(Recorded on July 28, 2022)

Published on September 14, 2022


We do not yet have transcripts available for this interview.

If you are be interested in helping us transcribe into any language, including English, please email