Liberation Between Death and RebirthwithRobert Thurman

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Robert Thurman, PhD, is professor emeritus at Columbia University where was a teaching professor for 50 years on Indo-Tibetan Buddhist Studies. He was the first Westerner Tibetan Buddhist monk ordained by His Holiness the Dalai Lama. He is author of many books, including Why the Dalai Lama Matters: His Act of Truth as the Solution for China, Tibet, and the Whole World and Infinite Life: Awakening to Bliss Within. He is author of his translation of The Tibetan Book of the Dead: Liberation Through Understanding in the Between. His most recent book is Wisdom is Bliss: Four Friendly Fun Facts That Can Change Your Life. His website is

Robert describes how to become liberated from suffering through understanding in the between of death and rebirth, known as the bardo in the Tibetan language. He describes other in-betweens and how to attain instant liberation.

00:00:00 Introduction

00:02:36 Mistranslation of The Tibetan Book of the Dead

00:04:56 The betweens or bardos

00:10:42 Near-death and death experiences

00:23:31 Deathlessness

00:35:11 Stages of liberation

00:45:51 Attachment

00:57:07 Interconnection

01:19:24 Instant Liberation

01:21:02 Conclusion

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(Recorded on November 15, 2023)

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Published on December 6, 2023


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