AI and PsiwithPaul Werbos

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Paul Werbos, is a distinguished American mathematician and engineer renowned for his groundbreaking contributions to the field of artificial intelligence. He is credited with introducing the backpropagation algorithm to train artificial neural networks. He embarked on his academic journey at Harvard University, where he earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Economics. A year later receiving another degree in Economics from the London School of economics. Werbos furthered his education at Harvard, obtaining a Ph.D. in Applied Mathematics while also studying Quantum Physics. This diverse academic background laid the foundation for his later work, showcasing an ability to bridge the gap between science, mathematics, and economic theory. Werbos has won several awards and has held various influential roles, including serving as a program director at the National Science Foundation for over twenty-five years. His website is

Paul shares his work on neural networks and machine learning as well as his personal experiences with psi including precognition and an out-of-body experience. He suggests humans are a symbiotic organism and that we are in symbiosis with another larger organism, which he refers to as our local noosphere.

00:00:00 Introduction

00:02:44 Chat GPT and the Mind

00:05:38 Noosphere

00:07:43 Precognitive Event

00:17:24 Freud and Backpropagation

00:23:32 Freud, Jung and Affect

00:27:58 Consciousness qua Intelligence & OBE

00:34:51 Psychic Energy, Flow of Information & Chi

00:37:37 Affect, Meaning and Value

00:41:24 Time and Quantum Intelligence

00:43:46 Pribram, Bohm, deBroglie and Einstein

00:47:25 Integration

New Thinking Allowed Guest Host Leanne Whitney, PhD, is a depth psychologist and transformational coach based in Los Angeles, CA. She is the author of Consciousness in Jung and Patañjali and currently serves as Executive Director of Center for Transformation and Integration. Her website is

Producer and Editor: Megumi Nishikura

Production Assistant: John Hartmann

(Recorded on January 26, 2024)

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Published on February 28, 2024


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